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it's weird for senator graham to say it. what is premature is try to assert there would be a direct or substantial link between the suspect and al qaeda. that is the legal requirement to take an american away from the civilian courts and treat them as an enemy combatant. i believe senator graham who has a long history on detention issues and was a lawyer, himself, i think he knows that. because he knows that, he knows he is premature to suggest this when no reliable source and nobody in the government -- >> certainly not yet. >> -- has met that standard. >> let's listen to what senator graham said was his reason for using the enemy combatant tact. take a listen. >> if we have to clear the questions that we're going to ask to gather intelligence through the terror suspect's lawyer, we greatly diminished our ability to control the process. >> where has that ever occurred? >> well, it's not the problem at issue, right? there's two shortcomings there. number one, that's not how the unlawful combatant precedent works. the whole p
it's weird for senator graham to say it. what is premature is try to assert there would be a direct or substantial link between the suspect and al qaeda. that is the legal requirement to take an american away from the civilian courts and treat them as an enemy combatant. i believe senator graham who has a long history on detention issues and was a lawyer, himself, i think he knows that. because he knows that, he knows he is premature to suggest this when no reliable source and nobody in the...
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let me explain one thing, the law is really clear because lindsay graham wrote the law. what he said is correct. you can declare him an enemy combatant and he will still be tried in a criminal proceeding in a civilian court system because that's what the law is. that has nothing to do with enemy combatant status. nothing. that's what they are trying do here. >> and that is not what that statute says. >> lindsey graham wrote the law and has been -- you are incorrect. you can be an anen combatant -- >> what he wrote was only aliens can be tried -- >> no, that's not correct. >> guys we have to run. >> you are incorrect. >> coming up tonight, we have a special hannity tribute to the great city of boston and the victims of last more than's horrific atank but first should torture be used to extract information from the bombing suspect? some are here to defend that statement. that and more coming up straight ahead. @ ♪ roundup ♪ now roundup has a new sharp-shootin' wand ♪ ♪ just point and shoot, and weeds are gone ♪ ♪ 'round fences, trees, even mulched beds ♪
let me explain one thing, the law is really clear because lindsay graham wrote the law. what he said is correct. you can declare him an enemy combatant and he will still be tried in a criminal proceeding in a civilian court system because that's what the law is. that has nothing to do with enemy combatant status. nothing. that's what they are trying do here. >> and that is not what that statute says. >> lindsey graham wrote the law and has been -- you are incorrect. you can be an...
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joining me washington bureau chief of the the "huffington post," graham, and the grio editor, joy reid and the deputy director of the "national journal." >> and pete, there's a lot of information that's come out over course of the weekend. we know that the fbi is interrogating dzhokhar tsarnaev. what are they hoping to get from him at this point? >> interrogating may be a bit of a grand word here, because it's certainly not the kind of interrogation they had planned, where they speak to someone. it's being conducted with notes and nods and because he can't speak, he's on a ventilator. so it's a very slow process. but during this period, their government is limited in terms of what they can ask him. because they're doing this public safety exception to the miranda rule. they've not advised him of his rights. so they can only ask about potential threats to public safety. were there other conspirators, other bombs out there, any reason to believe that public safety is in any way jeopardized. >> pete, one of the persons cited in terms of this idea that there may have been more violent plan
joining me washington bureau chief of the the "huffington post," graham, and the grio editor, joy reid and the deputy director of the "national journal." >> and pete, there's a lot of information that's come out over course of the weekend. we know that the fbi is interrogating dzhokhar tsarnaev. what are they hoping to get from him at this point? >> interrogating may be a bit of a grand word here, because it's certainly not the kind of interrogation they had...
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senator graham don't mir andize him and don't do it after 48 hours. designate him an enemy combatant. that will give us 30 plus days and do a thorough intel investigation and then we'll proceed from there. your reaction to that point of view? >> well, it's unnecessary and engaging in activities that could be determined to be unconstitutional or actually make it more difficult to use that evidence in court. i think it's the appropriate method to use the criminal justice system which has proven more effective than any other system has come up with both in producing a fair result and in protecting the rights of the defendant at the same time in obtaining convictions when there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. i think this is clear example of how powerful our system is and how protecting constitutionality values makes us stronger overall. >> megyn: what about the delayed miranda rights being read to this suspect. a lot of the folks have looked at this and said the f.b.i. has videotape of him placing a bomb next to an eight-year-old boy and he maimed
senator graham don't mir andize him and don't do it after 48 hours. designate him an enemy combatant. that will give us 30 plus days and do a thorough intel investigation and then we'll proceed from there. your reaction to that point of view? >> well, it's unnecessary and engaging in activities that could be determined to be unconstitutional or actually make it more difficult to use that evidence in court. i think it's the appropriate method to use the criminal justice system which has...
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a move supported by republican senators, including lindsay graham. >> i believe our nation is at war, the enemy is radical islam, defined as the taliban, al qaeda and affiliated groups. the question i have regarding this case, is there any association between these two individuals and the groups i just named to allow enemy combatant status to be conferred upon the suspect in boston. >> with no ties to foreign terrorist networks, there would be little difference between tsarnaev and other so-called home-grown and lone wolf terrorists, including timothy mcveigh and ted kosinski. if the tsarnaev brothers were acting alone, the prevention of similar attacks becomes significantly more complex. american law enforcement officials currently track terror networks by tapping into chatter, monitoring videos and reports of field agents, but even if the fbi is tipped off to potential american terrorists, there's are limits to what can be done. "the new york times" reports that after the tib questioned tamerlan tsarnaev in 2011, officials had quote no authority to watch him because they found no te
a move supported by republican senators, including lindsay graham. >> i believe our nation is at war, the enemy is radical islam, defined as the taliban, al qaeda and affiliated groups. the question i have regarding this case, is there any association between these two individuals and the groups i just named to allow enemy combatant status to be conferred upon the suspect in boston. >> with no ties to foreign terrorist networks, there would be little difference between tsarnaev and...
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some g.o.p.makers, including lindsey graham, say doing so may help theofeds gather evidence. a little more than ten minutes ago cities and towns across the country joined boston in a moment of silence. >> shepard: the terror attack killed three people and wounded more than 170 others. for ten of the victims the bombings cost them an arm or leg. we have team fox coverage. adam houseley at the hospital where the suspect is in'm custody. first congratulate ran, this debate, what is this? >> republicans senator lindsey graham who wrote the military commissions act said, just like the administration, there is no option to pursue a military trial for dzhokar tsarnaev because he is an american citizen. but there's another legal option to clear the 19-year-old enemy combatant or enemy belligerent for purpose of evidence gathering. >> under the law of war there's no right to legal counsel when you're being questioned for national security purposes. so i hope the obama administration will allow that exception and they have a very bad track record here. >> the white house telling report
some g.o.p.makers, including lindsey graham, say doing so may help theofeds gather evidence. a little more than ten minutes ago cities and towns across the country joined boston in a moment of silence. >> shepard: the terror attack killed three people and wounded more than 170 others. for ten of the victims the bombings cost them an arm or leg. we have team fox coverage. adam houseley at the hospital where the suspect is in'm custody. first congratulate ran, this debate, what is this?...
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here's what's interesting -- both lindsey graham and senator schumer who were on the show are members of that gang of eight that came up with this bipartisan reform for the immigration system. we've now heard opponents of the immigration system saying this is another reason why we need to take a look at what's going on here. you get the feel the slow walk is beginning. boert senator graham and senator schumer make the case this is the time for emigration reform. 40% i believe is the figure of the folks who are in the united states without documentation have overstayed their visas and they say that within their legislation is a mechanism and a system through which that will no longer be the case, that when people are in this country, you will know who they are. now let's remember that one of these young men -- the yucker brother was a u.s. citizen, the other was a permanent resident. i don't know how far that kind of system would reach out. but nonetheless, they think that now is the precise time to have immigration reform, not a time to slow it down. >> candy crowley, thanks so much,
here's what's interesting -- both lindsey graham and senator schumer who were on the show are members of that gang of eight that came up with this bipartisan reform for the immigration system. we've now heard opponents of the immigration system saying this is another reason why we need to take a look at what's going on here. you get the feel the slow walk is beginning. boert senator graham and senator schumer make the case this is the time for emigration reform. 40% i believe is the figure of...
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immigration reform lindsey graham. >> north korea indiana. and boston airthon, lindsey graham? jesus. >> i have a feeling they just book him week after week after week, and the bookers were too lazy to say, we have breaking news -- >> bill: they probably up on the wall they have -- every sunday they have lindsey graham booked already. they don't care. that's the first question why? why? okay. and the second question is what does the freaking know about it right? i mean wtf lindsey graham let the justice department and the fbi and the authorities do their job, stay the you know what out of it. stay out of it. i mean just stfu lindsey graham. he and john mccain of course his butt boy -- or which one is which i don't know. and pete king same thing they want to turn this into a political football. they want to turn this act of terror and heroic work by our law enforcement officers into political football, and it pisses me off, and it should piss everyone else off. they should just shut up. 866-55-press, don't you think? >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ that viewers
immigration reform lindsey graham. >> north korea indiana. and boston airthon, lindsey graham? jesus. >> i have a feeling they just book him week after week after week, and the bookers were too lazy to say, we have breaking news -- >> bill: they probably up on the wall they have -- every sunday they have lindsey graham booked already. they don't care. that's the first question why? why? okay. and the second question is what does the freaking know about it right? i mean wtf...
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>> two authors of that immigration bill, chuck schumer and lindsey graham are next. aaah! aaaaah! theres a guy on the window! do something, dad! aaaah! aaaah! what is happening? they're rate suckers. their bad driving makes car insurance more expensive for the rest of us. good thing there's snapshot from progressive. snap it in and get a discount based on your good driving. stop paying for rate suckers. try snapshot free at progressive.com. i'm just red carpets and big spectacles. but that's only the beginning. i have more than one red carpet. i like all sorts of spectacles. from the grandiose to the impromptu... to the completely unexpected. and the most epic thrill ride this city has ever faced. transformers the ride 3d. los angeles. endlessly entertaining. start exploring at discoverlosangeles.com >>> i am joined by senator chuck schumer, democrat from new york. and south carolina republican senator lindsey graham with whom we just mentioned cooperated and came up recently with a bipartisan immigration bill. i want to get to that as well the effect of boston on that discussion.
>> two authors of that immigration bill, chuck schumer and lindsey graham are next. aaah! aaaaah! theres a guy on the window! do something, dad! aaaah! aaaah! what is happening? they're rate suckers. their bad driving makes car insurance more expensive for the rest of us. good thing there's snapshot from progressive. snap it in and get a discount based on your good driving. stop paying for rate suckers. try snapshot free at progressive.com. i'm just red carpets and big spectacles. but...
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>> two authors of that immigration bill, chuck schumer and lindsey graham are next. a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed: the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ to enjoy all of these years. at od, whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in. with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. od. helping the world keep promises. ♪ there is no mass-produced there is no mass-produced human. every signature is unique and every fingerprint unrepeatable. and there is one store that recognizes it: the sleep number store. the only place in the world you'll find the extraordinarily comfortable sleep number bed: the only bed with dual-ai
>> two authors of that immigration bill, chuck schumer and lindsey graham are next. a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed: the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪...
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. >> he is not impressed with lyndsay graham. >> do i get another try here? >> immogen you said the criminal court system has an excellent record of prosecuting terrorists. you are right. federal courts convicted 500 individuals on terrorism charges since 9/11. >> great you can do research for him. >> it just came up. i thought oh i remember doing that. i was debating. >> you could at least pretend you looked into the stories for us. that's all we ask is you pre end it. >> i did look, but this is a specific i thought of which is bernard who is a scary man. >> i will not debate that. >> she scary. >> you mentioned treating him as anen mooy combatant at first even though it could be used in court and you said we could do that because we don't need his confession. true, but the same thing could be done as it was done by envoking the public safety exswrellion. exemption. >> i think you have a longer period of time to get information. >> i guess, ambassador would you want him tried as an enemy combatant or treated as one and then eventually not? >> the issue of de
. >> he is not impressed with lyndsay graham. >> do i get another try here? >> immogen you said the criminal court system has an excellent record of prosecuting terrorists. you are right. federal courts convicted 500 individuals on terrorism charges since 9/11. >> great you can do research for him. >> it just came up. i thought oh i remember doing that. i was debating. >> you could at least pretend you looked into the stories for us. that's all we ask is you...
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the senator schumer and lindsey graham yesterday. he was talking about the new law. how are they going to force this? they are fooling themselves. that's not going to happen. we have problems right now with congress cutting funds from our federal government. where is the money coming from to enforce this? guest: two points. $11 million is a pretty good number. that is in the ballpark. 1986.k to passed thatbig bill offered status. .hey don't all come forward it is a legitimate concern. there has been an lot of effort in this bill to encourage people to come forward. you come forward within the first six months, as long as you don't have a criminal background, you'll beiven a temporary provisional status. you can go out and get a job and get paid above the table. you can travel back and forth to your home country. these are big carrots. fines be paid through levied on the individuals themselves. there will have to pay $2,000 or more. will everybody come forward? probably not. but i expect the percentage to 1986.gher than in highe "thee headlinerom daily beast." ofallow
the senator schumer and lindsey graham yesterday. he was talking about the new law. how are they going to force this? they are fooling themselves. that's not going to happen. we have problems right now with congress cutting funds from our federal government. where is the money coming from to enforce this? guest: two points. $11 million is a pretty good number. that is in the ballpark. 1986.k to passed thatbig bill offered status. .hey don't all come forward it is a legitimate concern. there has...
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i'll make senator graham's argument for him. if this guy is really a soldier from a foreign country who put civilian clothing on, who was financed and trained and paid for and sent here by a foreign government that wants to destroy the united states of america, then he can be treated as a soldier of a foreign country, then you can be treated as an enemy combatant. but governor, there's not an iota of evidence to support that. in fact the evidence the fbi has said is to the contrary. mayor menino, governor patrick, the head of the fbi in boston, have all said these guys were not sent by a foreign government. >> mike: i think you make a great point, too, about the just dessert that people get. timothy mcveigh, a sense of justice having been accomplished. judge, please stay with us. >> you bet. >> mike: did the bombing suspect's older brother lure him to participate in this week's attacks? could that hurt our chances for his conviction. we'll be back with the judge i >> mike: dzhokhar tsarnaev has been portrayed as a nice guy, some
i'll make senator graham's argument for him. if this guy is really a soldier from a foreign country who put civilian clothing on, who was financed and trained and paid for and sent here by a foreign government that wants to destroy the united states of america, then he can be treated as a soldier of a foreign country, then you can be treated as an enemy combatant. but governor, there's not an iota of evidence to support that. in fact the evidence the fbi has said is to the contrary. mayor...
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senator graham was right in this. to say there is no war going on mindness. osama bin laden declared a war. and a jihad is said to take place. various iranian rulers have said there is a global war against forces of arrogance, that would be us. nd i would submit to you that brothers and fort perceiveter and others themselves not as criminals but as combatants in a war. to say they are not combatants, they say they are they are not but we will treat it as criminal justice problem is wrong. combatants even though they don't wear uniforms and carry weapons. means they are combatants who are violate being the laws hat makes them terrorists and makes them unlawful enemy combatants. they are enemies. response before we go back to the phones. taking?risk worth if there is a global war, a war that has been brought shores is itto our worth taking? guest: there is no global war we don't let individuals decide that for us. war that is ctual taking place in afghanistan. tkpwhrebglobal jihadist movement. f we let individuals make that etermination why not let right wing s
senator graham was right in this. to say there is no war going on mindness. osama bin laden declared a war. and a jihad is said to take place. various iranian rulers have said there is a global war against forces of arrogance, that would be us. nd i would submit to you that brothers and fort perceiveter and others themselves not as criminals but as combatants in a war. to say they are not combatants, they say they are they are not but we will treat it as criminal justice problem is wrong....
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. >> you have lindsey graham, paul king that say we should look at dzhokhar was an enemy come want tan. what would that mean. >> it can't apply here. an enemy combatant mean an enemy that's at war. so far we have no indication of what was mote vath these two. so enemy combatant, we don't know mow that there's a foundation for it. but more importantly the justice department has had a lot of success with civilian trials. if they do within aggressive discussion, they can ask every question that a military investigator can ask with respect to -- that's what they'll be able to accomplish. >> let's look at the possibility of where this case may be going. what's your taught about because they want to know if anybody else is involved here, they need to know if there is any ongoing threat, would they consider making a deal? would they go to him and offer him his laf as opposed to the death penalty in exchange for information? well you've identify exactly what the issue is and that's why it may actually make sense to get this guy to a lawyer sooner than later. he is up deed facing a very serious
. >> you have lindsey graham, paul king that say we should look at dzhokhar was an enemy come want tan. what would that mean. >> it can't apply here. an enemy combatant mean an enemy that's at war. so far we have no indication of what was mote vath these two. so enemy combatant, we don't know mow that there's a foundation for it. but more importantly the justice department has had a lot of success with civilian trials. if they do within aggressive discussion, they can ask every...
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what some advocates, republicans, are saying such as lindsey graham are -- we understand, they say, we understand he's going to be tried in civilian court but start the questioning -- treat him as an enemy combatant under the law of war. question him by intelligence people. get all the intel you can. then turn him over to the civ civilian authorities. that's what they advocate. that's not going to happen, the administration has decided. he'll be questioned first by this special group set up in the last couple of years in terror cases called the high value detainee interrogation group, fbi cia, dod. they don't have a long time to do that, probably no more than a day or so. then he'll be begin his miranda warning and we'll see if he continues to talk. in other terrorism cases, surprisingly, these people do keep talking. >> mike rogers, chairman, do you have a view how he should be treated in the criminal justice system? >> he's a citizen of the united states. i think that brings all of those protections of the u.s. constitution under the public safety exception, however, i do believe tha
what some advocates, republicans, are saying such as lindsey graham are -- we understand, they say, we understand he's going to be tried in civilian court but start the questioning -- treat him as an enemy combatant under the law of war. question him by intelligence people. get all the intel you can. then turn him over to the civ civilian authorities. that's what they advocate. that's not going to happen, the administration has decided. he'll be questioned first by this special group set up in...
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limited basis when the public may be in immediate danger, and there are those like senator lindsey graham who say tsarnaev should be consideredn enemy combatant so he can waive his right. others disagree. >> there's plenty of evidence. they don't need it to get him into a trial. i don't think we have to cross the line and say he's an enemy combatant which could be challenged in court. one circuit rules one way, one rules the other way. >> we should reserve the right to look at him as an enemy combatant and continue to look for evidence and if we find evidence and go to him as chuck says and gather intelligence. >> now the suspect's mother says tamer lan was contacted by fbi. the fbi says that is not true but the fbi did interview him in 2011 at the request of the russian government. officials are focusing on a trip he made to russia in 2012. sky news's katie stallard has more. katie, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. yes, we knew that tamerlan traveled to russia in january of last year, they husband with in the country for around six months and during the time he eled to caucasus r
limited basis when the public may be in immediate danger, and there are those like senator lindsey graham who say tsarnaev should be consideredn enemy combatant so he can waive his right. others disagree. >> there's plenty of evidence. they don't need it to get him into a trial. i don't think we have to cross the line and say he's an enemy combatant which could be challenged in court. one circuit rules one way, one rules the other way. >> we should reserve the right to look at him...
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what senator graham was talking about is pretty alarming. he's talking about enemy combatants which is -- >> suppose you go overseas to join al qaeda somewhere and you're with them. are you still an american under the law? >> my view you are. >> under the government's view? >> well, we haven't changed the u.s. constitution yet. and what senator graham is talking about is actually using enemy combatant status as a way of getting evidence. it's no longer the justification we have to isolate them in guantanamo bay. he wants to keep the status open so we get more intelligence. that shows you this path. once you cross that rubicon. >> suppose you're an american in world war ii and go join the nazi side. are you still saying the person deserves the rights of american? >> there are special rules of war -- >> are we at war? >> i don't think we are against a category of crime. >> i think a lot of people think we are. >> you know what, they're saying they're at war with terrorism. >> no, no, al qaeda. aren't they the sworn enemy of this country in the
what senator graham was talking about is pretty alarming. he's talking about enemy combatants which is -- >> suppose you go overseas to join al qaeda somewhere and you're with them. are you still an american under the law? >> my view you are. >> under the government's view? >> well, we haven't changed the u.s. constitution yet. and what senator graham is talking about is actually using enemy combatant status as a way of getting evidence. it's no longer the justification...
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we saw senators john mccain, lindsey graham, put out a statement on friday afternoon saying this should not have happened at all. if you are going support comprehensive immigration reform, it would be to make sure that people come out of the shadows, that the country knows who is in this country and who is not. they were really defensive, trying to come out for this type of thing. it is important to note in this debate that these two brothers came to the united states for asylum, but i am not sure that is applicable to the big contours' of the immigration reform bill that is trying to give a pathway to citizenship to people who are illegal in this country, not those who came in under asylum. host: the fbi is under some criticism because apparently they had looked into the older brothers trip to russia. he was there for six months. they don't know who we had contact with and the fbi basically said he was not a threat. and of course we know what happened last monday. guest: there will be a tremendous amount of reporting over the next several days about what the fbi knew and did not know.
we saw senators john mccain, lindsey graham, put out a statement on friday afternoon saying this should not have happened at all. if you are going support comprehensive immigration reform, it would be to make sure that people come out of the shadows, that the country knows who is in this country and who is not. they were really defensive, trying to come out for this type of thing. it is important to note in this debate that these two brothers came to the united states for asylum, but i am not...
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senator graham? >> i will pick up from where my friend from texas -- incentives. having dealt -- consensus. having dealt with this 50,005, i think think we are reaching consensus. the first consent of we reached is the current system is not working. if you are worried about amnesty, that is exactly what we have. we have 11 million people roaming around the with really no way to find out who they are under the current construct. senator cruz is right, if you are trying to access legal labor it is incredibly hard to do. the visas ran out, it is to come located. i think most americans believe the status quo will not work. they want the borders secured. there is consensus. very few people in this country who think border security is not a good thing. and visa control -- 40% of the people here illegally did not come across the border, they overstayed their visas. all the hijackers on 9/11 were visa overstays. if boston tells us anything, we need to be aware of who is living among us, whether nativeborn or come in on a visa and become a citizen. we can be threatened by
senator graham? >> i will pick up from where my friend from texas -- incentives. having dealt -- consensus. having dealt with this 50,005, i think think we are reaching consensus. the first consent of we reached is the current system is not working. if you are worried about amnesty, that is exactly what we have. we have 11 million people roaming around the with really no way to find out who they are under the current construct. senator cruz is right, if you are trying to access legal...
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i know john mccain, lindsey graham, couple of others are pushing for that. you need a little more evidence to know whether you can do that. you really have to know, did he become part of the terrorist war against the united states? these e-mails and texts that they're discovering kind of make a pretty good case that he was part of a group that's at war against the united states. if you can make that case, then you could try him in a military court. you could try him in guantanamo bay and not have the spectacle of this trial having to take place in boston or some other place where they would change venue. >> are you sure about military court? as i understand, it was for noncitizens and for foreign nationals. >> if a citizen becomes part of the war effort against the united states -- let's take an example like this. let's take the second world war. let's say an american citizen went to germany and joined the nazi army and invaded the united states, we could try that person in a military court. now, the nature of this war is so ambiguous, you're going to get a
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is that a legal maneuver that graham was advocating? what carney said today at the back and forth in the press room was it is simply not legal to try an american civilian for a crime committed on our soil in a military commission. >> and it's not for lack of trying with the bush administration. but i think that that's absolutely correct. it is absolutely separate and apart and not connected to our constitution that we try people that are american citizens that have committed crimes in anything other -- >> accused of committing crimes. >> exactly. accused of committing crimes in anything other than u.s. courts for that purpose. >> so you just mentioned miranda. so the other thing, the big thing that happened today there are two remarkable events today. there was the filing of the criminal complaint, which i was waving around, and they released a suspect of a procedural hearing that happened actually at the bedside in the hospital with a federal magistrate who was brought in. that federal magistrate informed dzhokhar tsarnaev, the 19-year
is that a legal maneuver that graham was advocating? what carney said today at the back and forth in the press room was it is simply not legal to try an american civilian for a crime committed on our soil in a military commission. >> and it's not for lack of trying with the bush administration. but i think that that's absolutely correct. it is absolutely separate and apart and not connected to our constitution that we try people that are american citizens that have committed crimes in...
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we've come up with a sound plan to keep this country safe. >> and your response to senator graham and mccain and ayotte and others who say treat him as an enemy combatant, i want to nail you down on that point, you oppose that? >> you bet. well, let the me just tell you, history tells us that we're doing the right thing hundreds -- literally hundreds of terrorists, those accused of it terrorism, have been successfully prosecuted and imprisoned in the united states using the same process that's being used in this case in boston. the handful, liz cheney and others, who are calling for military commissions, have to explain to us why since 9/11 only six times have we used military commissions. i think we are approaching this in the right way following the law as we should. we are gathering the evidence, and i think at the end, the right decision is being made to pursue this. >> all right. we're going to leave it there. senator durbin, thank you very much. michael chertoff, chairman mike rogers, thank you, mike leiter, and pete williams for all of your reporting this week, what you do bett
we've come up with a sound plan to keep this country safe. >> and your response to senator graham and mccain and ayotte and others who say treat him as an enemy combatant, i want to nail you down on that point, you oppose that? >> you bet. well, let the me just tell you, history tells us that we're doing the right thing hundreds -- literally hundreds of terrorists, those accused of it terrorism, have been successfully prosecuted and imprisoned in the united states using the same...
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i know john mccain, lindsey graham, couple of others are pushing for that. you need a little more evidence to know whether you can do that. you really have to know, did he become part of the terrorist war against the united states? these e-mails and texts that they're discovering kind of make a pretty good case that he was part of a group that's at war against the united states. if you can make that case, then you could try him in a military court. you could try him in guantanamo bay and not have the spectacle of this trial having to take place in boston or some other place where they would change venue. >> are you sure about military court? as i understand, it was for noncitizens and for foreign nationals. >> if a citizen becomes part of the war effort against the united states -- let's take an example like this. let's take the second world war. let's say an american citizen went to germany and joined the nazi army and invaded the united states, we could try that person in a military court. now, the nature of this war is so ambiguous, you're going to get a
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graham: could i have 30 seconds? the presiding officer: without objection. mr. graham: okay. one minute. how do you get the death penalty when the only way you can get information out of the suspect is to go through his lawyer? you can't have this national security interrogation where there is no lawyer to get information to protect against a future attack that can't be used in the trial, don't you think the lawyer's going to say i'm not going to have my client talk to you unless you promise not to seek the death penalty? ms. ayotte: i would say to the senator from south carolina i don't know how that is even possible in this case. any defense lawyer, as they should, to defend their client, there is no way they will allow that individual who committed the terrorist attack in boston to speak to one investigator now. if we get additional information, we have follow-up questions, without taking the death penalty off the table. that's doing the defense lawyer's job. i respect them for that, but it puts our nation in an awful position to have to negotiate with a defense lawyer whe
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. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing, yes, nothing about the trip and tonight the fbi and homeland security briefing lawmakers. congressman jason chase is on the house homeland security committee. he joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> thanks, greta. >> can you clarify or do you know whether or not he mentioned going out of the united states? there's some confusion over what senator lindsay graham said and what the secretary said. >> i don't know what the secretary means when she said ping. what is clear to me from my past experience, the united states of america has no viable entry-exit system. we aren't able to track people as they leave and depart the country and when they come back in the country. sometimes we can see them and have visibility when they are traveling via air burke as we are seeing on the southwest border and up in canada, that's a real problem. when she says ping, against what? that's the key question. >> it must be when he boarded the plane using the passport. must be some manifest i would assume there's some database at that point b
. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing, yes, nothing about the trip and tonight the fbi and homeland security briefing lawmakers. congressman jason chase is on the house homeland security committee. he joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> thanks, greta. >> can you clarify or do you know whether or not he mentioned going out of the united states? there's some confusion over what senator lindsay graham said and what the secretary said. >> i...
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it was signed by four republican senators, graham, mccain, ayachayo ayotte. congressman peter king joins me now. congressman king, good morning to you. >> good morning, chuck. >> let me start with any information overnight that you can share with us this morning. anything you've been briefed on including how much -- how communicative is the suspect? >> really all i'm getting is the same reports that you are. that he apparently has been answering some questions in writing. that's really all i know. and i wonder how effective that would be at this stage of the interrogation. in any event, that's really all i've heard. >> let's start with this debate about whether he should get miranda rights. you don't want to see him get miranda rights at all in this stage. but two other terror suspects, high profile terror suspects, taken in the last five years, abdulmutallab, the underwear bomber and times square bomber, both talked after they were read their miranda rights. so is this really as big of an issue as you and others are making it? >> yes, it is. because, first o
it was signed by four republican senators, graham, mccain, ayachayo ayotte. congressman peter king joins me now. congressman king, good morning to you. >> good morning, chuck. >> let me start with any information overnight that you can share with us this morning. anything you've been briefed on including how much -- how communicative is the suspect? >> really all i'm getting is the same reports that you are. that he apparently has been answering some questions in writing....
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>> i think lindsey graham was getting more information about his ties to al-qaeda. and on his hospital bed yesterday he said they are religious, but they don't have ties to any larger network. >> stephanie: yeah. exactly. that's what the fbi was saying initially. can i just say one of my favorite things is -- is the description -- because, you know, he was mad initially what he was tweeting was that you killed my brother. i think he actually killed his brother. >> that was a fake twitter account. >> stephanie: oh, okay. but, you know, that he was -- but i'm just saying that was -- i thought i was the only one that thought that that it was a little road runner he had explosives and he was run over by his brother and dragged like 30 feet and it just was -- i don't know, somebody said he was holding an acme receipt, and i don't think so. my buddy howard kurz wrote the police and this is what i said about the plitttt -- chuck grassley rushed in to say he wants to exam immigration reform particularly in light of what happened last week in boston. this doesn't lend itself
>> i think lindsey graham was getting more information about his ties to al-qaeda. and on his hospital bed yesterday he said they are religious, but they don't have ties to any larger network. >> stephanie: yeah. exactly. that's what the fbi was saying initially. can i just say one of my favorite things is -- is the description -- because, you know, he was mad initially what he was tweeting was that you killed my brother. i think he actually killed his brother. >> that was a...
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senator lindsey graham who wanted to treat him like it ought to be combatant he is being treated as if he has been treated as an american citizen would go to court and he is going to as if he has had his he has had his miranda rights read to him so i think that argument that argument but settled for the most part people can continue to debate whether this man should go to get no or whether he should whether he should have been treated as an enemy combatant but at this point argument is a dead in the water absolutely kerrick when blogger at boston dot com he's also a contributor at reason magazine and the we can editor at media i thank you so much for joining us. now let's focus on how the media covered the boston marathon bombing and the manhunt that followed a lot of news coverage with a series of mistakes including the misidentification of innocent people as the suspects for more on the mainstream media missteps the residents lori her feminist . the mainstream media sucks to epic proportions well covering the boston marathon bombing first you had the failure of c.n.n. reporting it wa
senator lindsey graham who wanted to treat him like it ought to be combatant he is being treated as if he has been treated as an american citizen would go to court and he is going to as if he has had his he has had his miranda rights read to him so i think that argument that argument but settled for the most part people can continue to debate whether this man should go to get no or whether he should whether he should have been treated as an enemy combatant but at this point argument is a dead...
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we've got graham, eva, devin and tim kelleher. spin the dog is down here, i don't think you can see him. first to you, as a father you guys were inside all day yesterday, you heard the shoot-out on thursday night, the helicopters. what was it like for you with your children really trying to protect them from this? >> well, it was a horrifying experience to know that this was happening so close, so as a dad and a parent we were just trying to keep them safe and just keep the youngest ones occupied and answer any questions they had. >> reporter: because of the nature of media, 24-hour television you guys were watching, right, graham, you knew what was happening. you told me you were scared, of course. i think everyone was but then you saw the police? >> yeah, when i saw the police i knew it was all fine because there were so many of them. it was crazy. >> reporter: what was it like, describe it for me. >> well, it was kind of frightening knowing how close it was to my street, but at the same time i knew that i was probably the close
we've got graham, eva, devin and tim kelleher. spin the dog is down here, i don't think you can see him. first to you, as a father you guys were inside all day yesterday, you heard the shoot-out on thursday night, the helicopters. what was it like for you with your children really trying to protect them from this? >> well, it was a horrifying experience to know that this was happening so close, so as a dad and a parent we were just trying to keep them safe and just keep the youngest ones...
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that or an alert like that, that immediately the fbi should have been notified about it, and senator graham brought out today that the fbi didn't know anything about it so you get back to a major problem that we have, does the left hand of government know what the right hand is doing? and if we're going to win this war on terrorism, we've got to have complete cooperation among all the departments that are involved in the war against terrorism. >> do you think the fbi did enough due diligence when they checked out tamerlan tsarnaev? it sounds like they talked to his parents. they checked out his communications, concluded that there was no threat there, but further reporting by reporters this week indicated that tsarnaev was something of an extremist at least in his views. do you think the fbi did enough in 2011? >> no, i don't think so. i think there's a lot of unanswered questions and we've got to get to the bottom of it. i hope that we do. but you get back to the very same thing. you've got to have these two departments cooperating, and when department of homeland security knew something a
that or an alert like that, that immediately the fbi should have been notified about it, and senator graham brought out today that the fbi didn't know anything about it so you get back to a major problem that we have, does the left hand of government know what the right hand is doing? and if we're going to win this war on terrorism, we've got to have complete cooperation among all the departments that are involved in the war against terrorism. >> do you think the fbi did enough due...
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so i don't really see lindsey graham's proposal as all that differentwhat's going on now. he seems to suggest a longer process of questioning him, but the obama administration has also committed to some period of questioning. now, this all assumes that he's willing to answer questions. can he always samp simply say it answering questions and there is no way either under enemy combatant rules or in the criminal justice system to force someone to answer questions who doesn't want to answer them. >> the argument i guess is under this limited questioning period before he is formally advised of his miranda rights, he has and right to an attorney, doesn't have to answer any questions. there has been some suggestion that can only last maybe 48 hours or so if he's formally named an enemy combatant, that would go on for days if not weeks. i guess that's the distinction. >> it's the length of time. right. the enemy combatant, if that designation were made, could go on for weeks or even months. but i just think it's important to emphasize that the obama administration has absolutely
so i don't really see lindsey graham's proposal as all that differentwhat's going on now. he seems to suggest a longer process of questioning him, but the obama administration has also committed to some period of questioning. now, this all assumes that he's willing to answer questions. can he always samp simply say it answering questions and there is no way either under enemy combatant rules or in the criminal justice system to force someone to answer questions who doesn't want to answer them....
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it certainly sounds like it. >> that phrase, dropped the ball, is exactly what we heard lindsey graham talk about on one of the talk shows today. he said he wanted to know how the fbi or the system dropped the ball when they didn't have an interview with tsarnaev when he came back into the united states. a lot of the lawmakers were saying we don't want to monday morning quarterback this. we are not necessarily putting the blame on the fbi. they said they also have some tough questions that they would like to hear some answers to based on this unfolding investigation. don? >> emily snmith, thank you very much. worshippers filled the largest church reflecting on violence that began nearly a week ago. members of law enforcement took part in the service at the cathedral of the holy cross. four large photos of the people killed were prominently displayed behind four lit candles. cardinal o'malley said, in the midst of the darkness of this tragedy, we turn to the light of jesus christ. ♪ ♪ ♪ with every step i take, let this be my solemn vow ♪ >> reporter: elsewhere, a group of christ
it certainly sounds like it. >> that phrase, dropped the ball, is exactly what we heard lindsey graham talk about on one of the talk shows today. he said he wanted to know how the fbi or the system dropped the ball when they didn't have an interview with tsarnaev when he came back into the united states. a lot of the lawmakers were saying we don't want to monday morning quarterback this. we are not necessarily putting the blame on the fbi. they said they also have some tough questions...
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just wrapped up an interview with senator graham. he says the fbi called him to correct some information they gave him after the secretary testified. okay. about the ping on their database. jim acosta reports, the fbi says obviously his trip was not undetected as they told the senator. he is now asking, the senator is, why homeland security didn't alert the fbi, calling that an oversight of a pre- 9/11 mind set. he also says, and jim acosta reports, the russians did contact u.s. officials about the suspect after the initial exchange of information with the fbi. so this is a situation in flux, we're trying to understand more. let's bring back in tom fuentes. tom, new information, i know you just heard it, let's take a half a step back. the supposition that, well, we needed to hear more from russia, first of all, the fbi does have people on the ground in russia, who can do the united states' work, correct? >> that's correct. my last five years the fbi, that office worked for me. i ran the international operations of the fbi, and was re
just wrapped up an interview with senator graham. he says the fbi called him to correct some information they gave him after the secretary testified. okay. about the ping on their database. jim acosta reports, the fbi says obviously his trip was not undetected as they told the senator. he is now asking, the senator is, why homeland security didn't alert the fbi, calling that an oversight of a pre- 9/11 mind set. he also says, and jim acosta reports, the russians did contact u.s. officials about...
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>> caller: i feel sorry for lindsey graham. he embarrasses himself every time he doesn't vote democrat. doesn't he try to make everything scary. everything has to scare the public. has to be scary. has to be foreign so everyone stays scared. it is a warmongering thing and it has to do -- >> bill: everything is all about lindsey me, me, me. >> caller: i'm from illinois and i don't know why rick perry would want me to live in texas. that scares me that he think illinois businesspeople want to go to texas. >> bill: he also thinks california businesspeople want to go to texas too. he did that -- he tried to campaign out there, as well. hey, one other thing i wanted to mention, you probably heard the whining yesterday and no matter where you were, it sounded like sirens. no, they were republicans whining because there were air-traffic control delays yesterday, some flights delayed up to two hours. here's the republican governor of florida, rick scott. >> this doesn't make any sense why are we doing this. it is going to impact delays
>> caller: i feel sorry for lindsey graham. he embarrasses himself every time he doesn't vote democrat. doesn't he try to make everything scary. everything has to scare the public. has to be scary. has to be foreign so everyone stays scared. it is a warmongering thing and it has to do -- >> bill: everything is all about lindsey me, me, me. >> caller: i'm from illinois and i don't know why rick perry would want me to live in texas. that scares me that he think illinois...
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lindsey graham and others will say it wasn't enough. not necessarily just 48 hours of vergation, but days and days if not weeks and weeks. that will be a sung for futubje future debate. just ahead, a check of other stories we're following, including serious delays at major airports across the country with fewer people in control towers. we're in store for a lot of waiting. back in a moment with that and all of the late developments out of boston. thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia... neil and buzz: for teaching us that you can't create the future... by clinging to the past. and with that: you're history. instead of looking behind... delta is looking beyond. 80 thousand of us investing billions... in everything from the best experiences below... to the finest comforts above. we're not simply saluting history... we're making it. >>> welcome back to on a special "newsroom," live from boston. all on the latest on the investigation in a moment. other top stories making news on this tuesday. the tsa has postponed a controversial rule a
lindsey graham and others will say it wasn't enough. not necessarily just 48 hours of vergation, but days and days if not weeks and weeks. that will be a sung for futubje future debate. just ahead, a check of other stories we're following, including serious delays at major airports across the country with fewer people in control towers. we're in store for a lot of waiting. back in a moment with that and all of the late developments out of boston. thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia......
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i think gram gram overstated the argument, you're right. -- lindsey graham. you're a terrorist attempting to be member of a sleeper cell it is unclear you will necessarily surface as this proposed new law requires you to do and make yourself known to authorities. on the other hand here is the ironic thing. in a way the bill could make us safer from this perspective. the two brothers came here when their family came here. their family came here look like they had other families already here. the parents of two the brothers had a brother, their uncle already here in the united states and they therefore appear like they might have come here, they got extra points for already having relatives here in the united states. this is called chained migration. if you got a family member here, whether it is an uncle, an aunt, father, mother, grandfather, cousin, whatever, you get a little bit extra oomph in the line in order to get here and the new law being proposed by the "gang of eight" would dial back immigration based on family considerations and dial up immigration
i think gram gram overstated the argument, you're right. -- lindsey graham. you're a terrorist attempting to be member of a sleeper cell it is unclear you will necessarily surface as this proposed new law requires you to do and make yourself known to authorities. on the other hand here is the ironic thing. in a way the bill could make us safer from this perspective. the two brothers came here when their family came here. their family came here look like they had other families already here. the...
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as lindsay graham says, how do we have any idea? >>gretchen: we should say the system definitely worked with regard to authorities capturing and identifying these guys going through hundreds and thousands of pictures after the fact. i don't think anybody is quarreling with that. in fact, a new poll says 91% of americans think that law enforcement did a fantastic job. questions remain about the beforehand. it is shades of the underwear bomber when janet napolitano said everything was fine and then we found out it wasn't. >>steve: you know what? if somebody is on a watch list or -- we don't know exactly the extent of the alert. i'm sure we'll find out in the next couple of days. if they're on some list, red flags are raised. and then they leave this country and they go somewhere, let's say to russia, don't you think it would make sense, it would be common sense to keep him on the list until they come home so you can say where you been? what did you do? who did you see? >>brian: all i can tell you is we're now interviewing the families
as lindsay graham says, how do we have any idea? >>gretchen: we should say the system definitely worked with regard to authorities capturing and identifying these guys going through hundreds and thousands of pictures after the fact. i don't think anybody is quarreling with that. in fact, a new poll says 91% of americans think that law enforcement did a fantastic job. questions remain about the beforehand. it is shades of the underwear bomber when janet napolitano said everything was fine...
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lindsay graham is one of those asking for this and joining me on the phone. welcome back to the program and good to have you with us this morning. >> thank you and congratulations to all of the law enforce and intelligence officials and people of boston. it has been tough, but the second phase of this is about to begin and we need to get it right. >> indied, we need to get it right. >> you have came out to say what happened in boston on monday was a clear attempt to kill americans and serorize americans. explain folks at home on what the difference is what you are discussing in the way he should be held and what others feel should be the course of action. >> the reason we wanted to capture him alive is find out about the attack and find out who he trained with and what connections to entered terrorism . they were on a jihad mission and the reason you want to capture a terrorist is to find out about what other terrorist are up to . under criminal law, in the united states, if you capture a citizen or noncitizen, you have to read them miranda rights and there i
lindsay graham is one of those asking for this and joining me on the phone. welcome back to the program and good to have you with us this morning. >> thank you and congratulations to all of the law enforce and intelligence officials and people of boston. it has been tough, but the second phase of this is about to begin and we need to get it right. >> indied, we need to get it right. >> you have came out to say what happened in boston on monday was a clear attempt to kill...
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i mentioned senator schumer, durbin, senator graham, senator feinstein, mccain, menendez, all worked on this. so now we are bringing this to the public. we will find a time for secretary napolitano to come before the committee. i hope this will give the public an opportunity to learn about it. unlessly every one of us we say we don't know how to read, everyone of us will have plenty of time to analyze this bill before we actually start marking it up in may. just a member, immigration has been an ongoing source of renewal of our spirit and creativity -- remember, immigration has been an ongoing source of renewal of ours are it and creativity. spirit and creativity. innovation for our companies. our nation continues to benefit from immigrants. we need to uphold the fundamental values of family and hard or can. -- work. foreign agricultural workers ofport vermont growers, many whom move into the fabric of vermont's agricultural community. of us.stem affects all now is our time to fix it. act to liberally. but we have to act. we can talk about it, but eventually we have to vote. millions
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citizen and senator graham says that dzhokhar is not eligible for military commission trials so how do these two trials kind of differ can you give us some insight. well megan certainly if there's been much debate surrounding the way the hearts of should be tried certainly a lot of mostly republican lawmakers were advocating for him to be tried as an enemy competence but the argument against that for among other politicians and civil rights groups was that this is a u.s. citizen somebody who became a naturalized u.s. citizen back in last year actually on september eleventh he has been living in the united states since two thousand and two and people were saying we cannot try an american citizen who committed an act on u.s. soil as an enemy competent because if this is the case this time around what happens in similar cases are we now going to start trying americans as enemy combatants so certainly that has been put off the table right now as we know the white house has said that this is not going to be considered and the difference there is really the way the way the case would be hand
citizen and senator graham says that dzhokhar is not eligible for military commission trials so how do these two trials kind of differ can you give us some insight. well megan certainly if there's been much debate surrounding the way the hearts of should be tried certainly a lot of mostly republican lawmakers were advocating for him to be tried as an enemy competence but the argument against that for among other politicians and civil rights groups was that this is a u.s. citizen somebody who...